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Among the more credible of eyewitnesses to the UFO phenomena are pilots.

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Indeed, it is a little known fact, but over three and a half thousand military and civilian

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pilots have stepped forward over the years to officially report something so unique,

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so different to what they are normally accustomed to seeing, that they have labelled it as a

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UFO.

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It's rare for pilots to talk publicly about such encounters, least of all in front of

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a camera held by UFO researchers, but veteran civilian pilot David Hastings had no such

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quans.

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We'd been to the Second Air Division at a convention in McAfee in New York, so we

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were slowly making our way back at a nice easy pace.

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We decided we wouldn't fly at night, so I'd landed at Dayton for my first night stop and

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then at Albuquerque on the second night.

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Our Grand Canyon really happened as a piece of luck because I was talking to the American

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girl in air traffic at Albuquerque and she heard my English accent and she said, oh,

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I suppose you want to fly the canyon.

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And I said, well, yes, I would like to do that.

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So she advised us then that I should fly the canyon first and then land at Grand Canyon

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for fuel because if I went the other way around and landed at Grand Canyon and asked

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the fly the canyon, I would possibly be told no.

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So yes, we had a look at the Grand Canyon itself.

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But the incident happened.

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I'd refueled at Grand Canyon Airport.

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I was just back up to my assigned height of 10,500 feet on the airway on Victor 12.

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And we'd passed over Lake Mead and I suppose we were about 70, 80 miles short of the Mojave

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Desert when it happened.

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It began, of course.

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We both realized that there was something coming in our 12 o'clock at us at high speed,

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very high speed, which at that part of the world, you're not used to them coming exactly

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head on.

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But obviously, again, both of us had the experience of a military jet coming at us at a different

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angle at speed.

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So you were quite used to seeing what in one second was a tiny speck on the windshield

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and within a second was a very large aeroplane.

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We looked at it, saw the speck coming, but it came so quick when we first saw it, we

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suddenly realized it was on top of us.

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So we pushed.

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I pushed hard.

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I was flying.

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And David is my co-boy.

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I also pushed hard.

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And we vanished under the combing of the instrument panel.

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We were convinced that that was it, that we were going to have a midair, that there'd

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be an almighty bang and the tail would go and that would be it and that would be the end

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of our flying days.

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But I mean, to say bear in mind, I was on the airway.

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I was under a radar service and I had no warning of any conflicting traffic whatsoever.

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But then of course, that was when Graham, it started to get very odd.

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It went over the top of us, a large shadow, a very black shadow.

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It darkened the hull of the cockpit and the sky above us, of course, was clear blue sunshine.

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Was there any kind of shock wave or something like that?

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No.

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That was the funny thing.

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There was no sound and there was no shock wave whatsoever.

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A little bit of turbulence, but that could have been me pushing hard anyway.

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My first concern was to get back up to my sign height before something starts to ask

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us as to what it was doing.

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Yes, I mean, that was your instant reaction.

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Our other instant reaction was, well, thank goodness, what happened?

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There was no bang.

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It's missed us.

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So yeah, it was, I wouldn't say fear.

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I mean, when it happened, we were both convinced that we were going to have a midair because

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it came exactly at our 12 o'clock.

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We slowly came back up from under the combing, I regained height and we both said, what the

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heck was that?

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But then again, the mystery deepened, I think, because we both suddenly said, there's something

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out to port on my side of the airplane.

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But we couldn't see anything and yet we both sensed that something was formating on us.

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Something was moving.

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It started out of the peripheral vision, but certainly it was such a strong feeling.

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Both of us were looking out my side of the airplane.

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I think it was more than six cents.

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I think we both felt that whatever was there was moving so fast that the human eye couldn't

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actually register it in detail, but could register that something was definitely moving.

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We thought it was going, you had a sensation it was going up and down beside us.

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But I mean, that sensation lasted so long, it was such an odd feeling and we were both

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convinced about it that I said to David, as I say, you fly the airplane because I've

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got my camera, my still camera back in the back end of the airplane.

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So I had time to unstrap, go back, pick up my ordinary still camera, come back, strap

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in and we both said it's still there.

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So I took one picture and then say we waited and then suddenly we both said it's there

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again.

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We felt or sensed or could see a movement, but we couldn't focus on it.

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So I took a second picture and I suppose that whole incident must have lasted for four minutes,

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I suppose.

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That was one of a 36 exposure film, of which we'd slowly taken.

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Most of the shots on that film were of the canyon, obviously.

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It had been sightseeing shots.

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The first one had nothing on it and it was the second picture.

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I think the reason why we definitely took two was because we felt there was something

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interesting happening, we wanted to have at least a second or a third shot, maybe I should

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have taken three, four, five, six, but we wanted to check that there was nothing in

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the cockpit like, say, an oxygen mask or anything else that was showing a reflection on that

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side window.

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And as you saw from the first picture, there is absolutely nothing that could have made

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that shape out of a reflection.

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About three days later we went to a party at the US Naval Base at Treasure Island and

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I took the photographs and said there and the US Navy officer asked if he could keep

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them for three days and I said yes as long as I can definitely have them back before

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I go back to the UK.

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What was your senior Navy officer condition?

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I think he was a, I think he was a lieutenant.

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So he was about middle, say middle ranking, so I've forgotten his name now.

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But again after three days when we went back to Treasure Island and he produced my photographs,

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but he just wouldn't give us anything.

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It was no comment and we said well come on surely you can give us something else.

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Say what do you actually think it was?

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No comment.

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I mean whether it was because he genuinely didn't know what it was or whether-

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In which case why couldn't he tell you that?

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Yeah, quite, quite, quite.

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Later on in the evening, on that evening when we went back to pick them up we were talking

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to a US Naval pilot and he was looking at the picture and of course he said well I

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can tell you what the whiteness over the top is and say that is vapor caused by a rapid

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rate of climb which we could obviously understand that and we thought well yes, that could-

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That makes sense.

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That makes sense.

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No, I mean I suppose to be honest it was semi-visual.

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In other words it was moving at a speed where your human eye could sense movement but it

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couldn't focus on it but we were lucky enough on one shot the camera actually caught it,

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blurred but it caught it.

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I mean it certainly was a flying object.

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It was certainly was unidentified but it was definitely there and it was solid but the

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rest of it remains a mystery although as pilots I suppose say one accepts that yes there are

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UFOs and I think our picture proved it I think.

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And on that trip back we were making a widescreen story but I mean on that picture actually

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features in it but nobody has ever queried it and I think mainly because you can say

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well you know I have the picture so I know what I saw, I prove what I saw, I can prove

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it here is the photograph but it still remains a mystery.

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Nobody has ever explained to us as to why there was no sound, why there was no airflow

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or turbulence and why we couldn't actually focus on it, why it didn't come and hover

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beside us and stay still so we could actually see it in detail.

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Nobody has ever explained that to us at all although some of your pictures and the analysis

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is intriguing I think of that photograph.

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Interestingly as a result of our publishing David's Accounting UFO Magazine a reader in

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North America submitted this photograph of a UFO taken over Brazil some years before.

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Compare the two there is a striking resemblance is it just possible that the Mahavi UFO and

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that photographed over Brazil may be one and the same?

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If debunkers are to be believed all eyewitnesses to purported UFO activity are to be dismissed

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no matter that pilots are skilled professional observers, no matter that over three and a

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half thousand pilots fail to sight Venus, conventional aircraft lights seen under unusual

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atmospheric conditions, space debris or other exotic causes.

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When one considers that only 10% of ordinary members of the public who think that they

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have actually seen a UFO take the time and effort to report their sighting officially

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would the same percentage figure apply to professional pilots?

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We think not.

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Hence to accumulate over three and a half thousand official UFO and pilot encounters

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a figure incidentally first reported back in 1990 should be seen for what it truly is

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a staggering body of evidence that few can ignore unless of course you happen to be a

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debunker.

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It is late evening and away in the distance mysterious lights in the sky attract your

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attention.

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From afar they look at odds with your surroundings but as you zoom in for a closer look and the

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lights steer ever closer the mystery is soon resolved.

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Aircraft navigational lights particularly those seen from the ground and at distance can

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often lead some into mistakenly interpreting them as a UFO.

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The sky at night is often littered with aircraft and coupled with chance observations of passing

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overhead satellites it is little wonder that inexperienced observers on the ground below

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are often confused.

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Skywatches however can assist in educating people to the busy environment above but what

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should one take on a skywatch?

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How best to prepare?

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Here Russell Callaghan teams with Graham Burtzel editor of UFO magazine to provide a few handy

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tips.

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Skywatches can be great fun so here are some practical guidelines to get the maximum enjoyment

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of what can be a pretty cold night out looking at the stars and we hope other things as well.

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We are here on Otley Shevin just outside of Ilkley although we have sunlight pollution

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in the area we have not travelled many miles to give ourselves a fantastic view from horizon

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to horizon.

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Of course it helps for those who are not used to skywatches to know exactly where the best

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place is to park your vehicle.

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Oh and please try to avoid parking your vehicle by busy roads especially at night those country

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lanes can be pretty hazardous.

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So if you can't find a public spot to park your vehicle and you are looking at some private

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land do get permission from the land owner or a farmer.

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As long as you do that you shouldn't have too many problems the last thing you need

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is a battle farmer coming along and ushering you off in the middle of the night.

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Sound travels a great distance at night the last thing householders or farmers want 2-3

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o'clock in the morning is to hear the sound of a car radio blaring away it can travel

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for miles.

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So please keep noise to an absolute minimum.

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Another piece of safety information don't wander off at night it's important that you

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do not do that simply because there are lots of hazards out in those fields it's pitch

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black you could fall over sprain an ankle and you've got problems.

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There are lots of essential items that you need to bring with you on a skywatch one of

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those most importantly of all especially these days is a mobile phone but when you pitch

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your skywatch at least make sure that you've got a good signal it's pointless finding an

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ideal spot only to discover that your mobile doesn't work.

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Typical route map even an A to Z you don't have to travel many miles outside of the cities

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or towns lights to get away from the pollution to find an ideal spot for a skywatch so do

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take along a route map especially handy if you're in an area that you're not too familiar

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with and you might get lost.

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Other things to take on board well pair of binoculars 10x50 binoculars just as good and

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a heck of a lot less expensive than some of the larger astronomical telescopes these I've

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had for the best part of 15 years they stood me in good stead and they're ideal especially

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at night.

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Another piece of essential equipment a torch ideally take two torches with you if you have

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to go wandering off especially to spend a penny take the torch with you the last thing

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you want to have to happen is for that torch to go down simply because you forgot to charge

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the batteries have some spare batteries handy just in case.

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You're bringing along a camera keep it in a camera case especially if it starts to chuck

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it down late at night.

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I always like to bring along these they're night vision binoculars now they're particularly

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good for looking at objects way up in the sky at distance picking out strobe lights

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navigation lights from what look curious lights in the sky at first but through these you

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can pick out the strobes very very easily indeed we've had helicopters police helicopters

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flying over our region with the lights out obviously monitoring somebody on the ground

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below but when you put the night vision scopes on them you can actually see the crew of the

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helicopter reflected by their instrument panels on board through night vision they're

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expensive but some of the handheld night vision sets that you can get these days are less

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than 200 pounds.

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It's always important when you go in the sky what to prepare for the elements i.e. the

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weather it can turn pretty treacherous at night tonight's not too bad temperatures hovering

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around about the mid 40s but it's always nice to bring along something hot to drink

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have plenty of chocolate bars especially if you're intending to stay out until the early

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hours and one final piece of advice and I always recommend that youngsters do not come

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along on a sky watch those round about 15 or 16 fine and that's handy but if you're here

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to look at the night sky to check out the stars check out satellites check out we hope

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something odd something unusual the last thing you need is to turn around and a 405 year

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old or a 10 year old is no longer there to be seen so that's very very important but

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wherever you go for your sky watch enjoy yourselves that's the whole point of this exercise do

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take on board some of those guidelines and tips safety is absolutely paramount how many

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should you take on board a sky watch with you well I always like to think that four

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or five car loads of people is ample especially if you're looking at a narrow lay by where

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you're hoping to pitch camp for the night if you are traveling some distance away from

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home make sure that everybody is familiar with where you're going to and it always helps

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just in case to let somebody back home know where you're going to as well and with that

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have a great sky watch but a safe sky watch as well.

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Organising the sky watch is one of those things that takes a little bit of planning as we've

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already gone over the major points to remember about privacy and getting yourself organised

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all that's fine you can have all this wonderful equipment and go out there and hope to get

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some remarkable footage of something extremely unusual but you need to get one or two things

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happy in your mind it's like riding a bicycle if you like the equipment your camera the

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camera that you're using or one of two or three cameras that you're using on a sky

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watch you need to be confident with the equipment suppose the first real point is the tripod

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you don't have to spend a fortune something like this about 40-50 pounds nice sturdy legs

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spirit levels on the head there that lets you make sure things are level because if you

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get one of the legs in the wrong position it might look fine in the viewfinder whatever

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you're filming but as you pull back you'll be creating hills and troughs that aren't

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really there so nice and level check the bubbles firm ground and away you go.

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Zooming into distant objects the tripod's an absolute must you need to be firm that

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doesn't matter how steady a hand you've got when you're holding the weight of a camera

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just your body's movement through simply breathing will create all sorts of shakes and wobbles

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on the camera so once again stick with the tripod get it firm 20 inches from the tripod

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they've all got the bit that goes up and down so get comfortable to your eye if you're

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fortunate like us and you've got the little screen there well there we are me watching

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you watching him watching me sort of thing if you've got the little viewfinder then you

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can see that what you're filming is what you're getting what you see on this screen is exactly

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what you're going to see on the TV when you get your footage home so remember the little

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black and white viewfinder it's okay but to get the real picture this is a must one thing

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to remember though the viewfinder it takes battery power out of the camera so be prepared

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with batteries if you've got a couple of batteries make sure they're fully charged know the limitations

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of your camera the more you zoom the more you have auto focus switched on this all uses

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power and those batteries will drain very very quickly.

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Olivia Mayan batteries are the modern standard now sort of thing and this little camera with

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the smallest battery that's available for it will give you an hour reliable.

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You can buy bigger batteries I've actually got one for this particular camera that believe

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it or not gives you six hours okay it costs about 80 pounds but one challenge and you

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know you're going to be alright for all night with a sky watch so well worth remembering

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extra batteries the other thing get to know where your controls are on your camera most

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modern camcorders they're all switches and buttons at the back it's alright having tons

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of little gadgets again it's knowing what these things do and get comfortable before

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you actually get out there in the field know what you're doing and what each of those buttons

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will do.

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of the older models of camcorder.

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Auto focus we switch that off all the way manual focus use this ring you can see in the viewfinder

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you can see on the on the little three inch monitor that your your image is in focus but

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when you're filming distant if you've got an object in the sky quickly appears in the

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sky and you think oh what do we do now don't go fumbling for the focus Sony JVC and Canon

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are all fitting this little infinitive button dead easy pull the switch down and that sets

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the lens at its distant setting so anything basically will be in focus.

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The great achievements of modern times is I don't know whether we can pick it up in

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the viewfinder we'll let you see the footage as we go along as well but something that's

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come along these days in the distance there is our local pub with the flick of a switch

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we have night shot but all the sudden details start coming into view that weren't there

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before and we'll let you see the footage in reality during this actual piece but as you

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can see night shot what an improvement from basically nothing to being able to see almost

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in darkness it's good but it does have its limitations let's not forget we might be filming

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distant objects stars planetary objects whatever the night shots really a guide but in essence

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it's all right if we're getting an idea of the background of the land where you are if

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you're out in the countryside in the dark it'll give you an idea where you know rising

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levels are where the hills are stick with the normal lens the normal settings on the camera

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the manual settings and the one that I like to keep referring people back to is exposure

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that is something that you can control manually by hand it's like opening and closing the

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iris on a 35 millimeter camera the wider the iris the more light the problem is on a dark

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picture on a dark night the cameras automatic settings open wide and let every bit of light

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into the camera that's there that doesn't necessarily work if you take a look at this

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piece of footage you can see we've been filming the movie earlier on this year the total

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eclipse by turning the f stops down on the camera lens then all of a sudden the detail

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of the surface of the moon becomes apparent and what a difference if we had the camera

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on automatic always sees the big white ball of light in the sky just to recap get used

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to where the buttons are on the camera get used to where it stops where it starts get

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used to what you see in the viewfinder when the thing is running it's all right pointing

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shooting your camera at an object in the sky and thinking you've got some mouth of footage

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and realizing that it's been on pause for the last two minutes make sure you're aware

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that when you know the camera is running you know the noises it makes yet a good tripod

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get it steady plenty batteries plenty tapes and the long and short of it enjoy yourself

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and good luck because you never know it might be your turn to catch something on camera next

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sky watches need not necessarily take place during nighttime hours take for example this

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man Peter Grant throughout most of last summer Peter used a variety of camera lenses and filters

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to record the skies above his Manchester home in the north of England here are just a few

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sequences gleaned from dozens of hours of footage which Peter has kindly agreed to share among

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fellow UFO enthusiasts

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if the mysterious objects filmed over Peter Grant's residence turned out to be some form of

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covert experimental craft then that would come as no surprise to scientists and engineers who

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gathered at the University of Sussex near Brighton for the advanced propulsion workshop in January

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of 2001 some of the world's leading scientists in the field of electro-gravitics were present and

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so were we here's just a sample of what some of them had to say

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the greefits paper which I know that professor Petticoff who are you professor Petticoff it's

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a my honor to know well in this in a secondary in a second paper by a professor Petticoff concerning

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the greefits he states that it takes some 10 to the minus 15 of the meter to be the diabolical

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in order to be effective in lifting because I read this paper by Petticoff and I was very much

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impressed about it I would like to ask if there's any technique by which we could take advantage of

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this electro-gravitics or electro-kinetic lifting force and so coming the burden of 10 to the minus

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15 of the meter have you got any ideas how we can proceed with this which is very remarkable

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probably the best way to answer this is tomorrow I will address several probably ways to try to

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to make use of that intrinsic connection connection between electron and tismine gravity and you know

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the classical retromagnetic mass theory revealed such a connection between electro magnetism and

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inertia so in fact addressing the connection between electro magnetism and gravity or inertia

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you're addressing both but I believe that tomorrow's the best idea. The cool thing is even assuming we

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have a black box or black sphere out of some black plug it you know it has to have power going in

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order to convert the energy into another form of energy which is the propulsion we have to

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conserve our energy loss and the cool thing is where that power going to come from what kind of

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scale of power we're going to need and what kind of technology would provide it now obviously in

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the early days if you get solar panels like they have on the space station and you don't want to

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go too far out they say no further than Mars but that's a well tested technology and as long as the

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sun shines you're going to get power and that might be doing what doable for small missions and small

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payloads and small clusters in the first generation but if you want to do deep missions further you

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get away from the sun power from the cells pulls off exponentially like a ski slope and almost

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nothing and you're going to need some other source and obviously you are defeating the object if you

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take along a huge tank of chemicals for the use of a propeller use them to generate electricity

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because you're back to square one again so it has to be if not solar then nuclear because that's got

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four to five magnitudes more power to weight than a chemical system so we're talking several

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thousand times more energy available in the same package for the same weight and same volume that's

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the whole problem then of technology being mature technology being safe being compact being reliable

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and that's a whole new kind of world which you would want to look at anyway for conventional

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space propulsion space missions unfortunately people are spending money on that and they are

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looking at it for those reasons but that technology will come across and plug in hopefully the

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technology we might develop but then beyond that there's a whole new round of ideas and coming up

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which is the other part of the clip coin with this conference which is zero point energy

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and other unconventional energy sources possibilities of vacuum extraction of energy from the vacuum

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which Al here is an expert and related ideas it may be that Professor Vigier has a very good paper

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to give on this tomorrow that as well as getting a breakthrough in our propulsion system you might

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even have a breakthrough in our energy systems to power it if that happens then the consequence is

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not just a space travel but for our entire society and culture they're going to be extremely profound

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and therefore for those of you who are not so interested in space travel but are interested

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in the applications that spin off on it this might be the most rewarding thing in the conference

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we had Einstein calculating the so-called spontaneous emission coefficient a coefficient

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then a certain amount of time went by and a similar emission was known even back then

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and then that eventually led to lasers and so on but spontaneous emission was still just

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considered something that you were just given that was it but research in zero point energy

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finally recognized spontaneous emission isn't so spontaneous it's actually a form of stimulated

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emission stimulated by vacuum fluctuations so once that was recognized as you recognize

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the theoretical concept then you had the idea of well it would really be great to control

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the spontaneous emission rate of excited atoms and so once it was realized that

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atoms in an excited state are sort of like pencils standing on its end and some fluctuations

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would not just knock it down then came the idea in the 80s that okay we'll build a cavity

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we'll eliminate the modes at that transition frequency therefore we eliminate the zero point

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energy in that mode therefore we put the atom in that particular cavity it'll stay excited

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and it won't spontaneous so in fact that started the whole field of cavity quantum

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electrodynamics and now it's used to increase spontaneous emission rates by back to the 100

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so here is a case where actual practical application came by recognizing the vacuum

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fluctuation theory could be used to actually control something that was well thought to be

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well understood and well known but nobody realized you can get a handle on it and so that's that's

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the nice transition where the reaction comes in and permits you to deal with something you've been

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dealing with for decades because you had a theoretical foundation in which you start to ask a new

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question and it came up with a new answer and then your application so this is not just you know

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a few decimal places I mean it's just a big factor factor behind it and also you go the other way

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you can speed up uh it's fine so-called spontaneous emission line even greater

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back in march this year we attended the 10th international UFO congress and film convention

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staged over seven days in the casino resort of loflin, navada

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almost 30 leading international researchers and best-selling authors

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delivered lectures to a near capacity 1000 strong audience throughout the week congress

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delegates enjoyed special functions such as the cocktail evening and the grand gala dinner at which

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the eb awards are presented to some of the year's top UFO film and video productions

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elsewhere enthusiasts and the general public alike

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can often be found browsing through a wide variety of UFO and alien related merchandise

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in the vendor's room it was here that we managed to grab a few words with ron russell

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one of america's leading experts on crop circles and a frequent visitor to england during the

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summer months we began by asking what ron thought of coin andrew's assertion much publicized last

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year that the vast majority of crop circles are nothing more than yes it's disturbing because

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people have done very poor research in this area when i first started going to the crop circles

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i figured that most of them were man-made i found evidence that they were and i just went

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about my business because i thought they were marvelous places i think the problem comes in

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when you say a figure of a certain figure 80 20 percent that's not provable and it's just a guess

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a lot of formations from my experience are man-made but they fall into different categories

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there are hoaxes forget about it there's nothing happening they're made for deception but some

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are spiritual machines or hermetic devices or magical temples and they are made with

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higher intention not a deception so they can't be called hoaxes we have to

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as a community of researchers come up with an understanding that there are many levels

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of man-made phenomena just as there are many levels of beyond human phenomena could be et

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could be time travelers could be astral beings from another dimension could be

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fairy spirits and elementals and i think it's all of the above some of the human made formations

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have great power a power to heal people far beyond psychosomatic effect and placebo effect

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the power we see in magnetometer fluctuations anomalous readings and magnetometers anomalous

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readings in uh microwave detectors anomalous readings in our trec 520 electrostatic detector

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which doesn't happen in a hoax formation here's another further piece of good evidence some of

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the human circle makers i've talked to uh do this for contact they like the juju that they get

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in the middle of the night i have gone out with them and watched i don't make crop circles but i

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watch them and while i didn't see anything that particular night they report that this indeed

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is really quite a puzzling part of their of their work the magic is real it is there

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we've heard before if there's only one real one but there are many more than that and and

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i'm not going to get into percentages that's really it that's where callan fell down because he

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put a number on it and you can't do that you just don't know and and his um estimation

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was confined really to england not not i mean we had four formations in north dakota here in america

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and minnesota and wisconsin and on and and these are in fields with no tram lines with no access

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points and and photos have been taken where they're how how could that be so there is a real phenomena

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but i would encourage people to not throw the baby out with the bath water even in human facilitated

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formations the magic is there contact opportunities are there balls of light and ships are seen by

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people in those formations they go into a human facilitated formation and have healing and have

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epiphany and meet their guardian angel and so let's get serious here we have a great opportunity

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to learn about ourselves to learn about the nature of illusion and deception at the edge of

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reality or assumed reality and i think it's it's time for us to grow up embrace the whole phenomena

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some are magical devices some are trashy hoaxes some come from beyond that's the way i see it

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another interesting speaker to attain congress was bruce steven holmes co-author of a new book

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entitled incident at fort benning bruce's co-author and principal character in the book john vascuez

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was the subject of a filmed interview we conducted in loughlin some four years ago until then few

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had heard of john vascuez let alone his incredible story later we will show a brief segment of our

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interview with john but for now let us hear bruce steven holmes describe how he first chanced upon

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john and what led him to take more than a passing interest in his remarkable story and basically

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the book is about a very interesting situation that occurred in september first of 1977 and it was at

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fort benning georgia where john was stationed as a recruit and actually he was a volunteer he wasn't

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really a recruit but i use the word recruit and when he first arrived at fort benning he was in

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formation for the welcoming speech with the captain and at the same time there were about 1300 troops

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all on this formation and as they were standing there waiting for the welcoming speech what occurred

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was something really dramatic there were some lights shining and flashing down at one end

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and they were in formation with alpha company first then bravo then charlie and then finally delta

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john was in the delta division he looked down and they were supposed to be facing forward in their

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attention but people started running and he began to watch the lights coming forward over alpha

431
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:45,120
people were running and it was total chaos and moved up to bravo then charlie and finally the delta

432
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:51,360
obviously what was happening was really strange john began to notice that the people who weren't

433
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:57,520
running seemed to be frozen or asleep in formation and he looked over at the captain the captain who

434
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:04,400
was about to give the speech was fast asleep and the last thing john remembers is that he must have

435
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,640
lost consciousness because the next thing he knows is he was looking at his feet one of the most

436
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:16,880
amazing events that i've ever heard of namely that 1300 troops were or possibly 1300 troops were

437
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:23,680
abducted on a ufo on this particular day that's the first chapter of the book the book goes through

438
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:30,160
about two or three maybe four other major events that occurred during this two week period and

439
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:37,520
finally culminates at the end with an actual combat maneuver between the troops and a ufo

440
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:43,840
when i first met john and he told me the story my first question and i guess i wasn't really listening

441
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:49,440
to him was what did what did everybody think about after it happened well in actuality

442
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:57,040
while this event occurred in 1977 john's recollection of it started in april of 1989

443
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:03,680
when he began having nightmares quite through some synchronicity i had a chance to speak with a

444
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:10,960
gentleman who was at fort vending in september of 1977 and said to me i have no knowledge of this

445
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,840
event and i said well it was in september and he said september and he said to me said you know i

446
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,480
don't remember anything about september and i said well that that seems normal to me because after

447
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:26,960
all how many people can remember a particular month but as we talked he became more and more

448
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:32,960
agitated until finally we had to stop talking because he was actually becoming almost on the

449
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:39,840
verge of violence over this idea that he couldn't remember september we've spoken since and i don't

450
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:45,920
even mention fort vending and he has no recollection of the fact that we even talked about it so it's

451
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:51,200
a very strange thing i think that there are a lot of troops out there who are are having all

452
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:56,320
kinds of physical and mental problems but have not yet had that awakened experience that john had

453
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:01,840
to read a book about one man and his extraordinary allegations quite another to see that same man

454
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:07,840
relate his story in front of the camera see what you make of john as he described some of the most

455
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:16,800
telling moments from the incident at fort vending this female voice told me to go sleep and

456
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:25,760
the next thing happened is that this face a male face i know it was a male because that's what i felt

457
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:32,080
was telling me to uh looking at zombies and the end of that came across was that the first one was

458
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:41,600
myself standing on an ocean all by myself and there was a blue sky and the next image was

459
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,960
the whole planet being destroyed bits by bits and the next image happened

460
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:58,080
was a face a human face and his face was all pale white face like face

461
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:05,280
and during this time i saw sergeant turn on who was standing across me and he was in a summer green

462
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:14,720
summer uniform cactus and uh i thought at that time i thought um he spade coffee on his

463
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:23,360
trousers but apparently he had uh an accident and some of us started falling falling down

464
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,480
and as we lost balance and i fell down too because everything seemed to have

465
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:37,920
spitted and that was unusual and when i got up i started to walk away and uh some of the people

466
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,520
are some of the guys who was in formation started getting sick

467
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,520
you started vomiting and getting sick and falling down

468
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,960
few of the speakers at this year's 10th international congress and film convention

469
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:59,920
commanded the respect and admiration afforded to dr roger lear in hard evidence five we included

470
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:06,320
incredible footage of the surgical removal of an alleged alien implant by a team led by dr lear

471
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:11,280
but what new evidence we wanted to know had he brought with him to loughlin

472
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:21,440
well they've kindly given me two hours to uh present some new material as well as a review

473
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:28,800
some of the older material on the implant surgeries and uh i'm going to talk about some of the latest

474
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:36,240
findings that we have on the tim surgery which was performed at february the fifth of the year 2000

475
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:46,320
the second hour i'm going to broach a brand new subject and offer a theory why alien abductions

476
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:55,360
are occurring worldwide and i brought the statistics and graphical material to prove that the human

477
00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:05,360
race is undergoing a tremendous biological and change it changed not only biologically but also

478
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:12,960
in our consciousness and i've done this by supporting 17 different developmental growth

479
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:21,040
characteristics in children and uh when i present this material i think i expect the audience to

480
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:29,280
prove that my statistics that i gathered in 1987 are going to be very very conservative and what

481
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:39,440
i've done is to take a 40 year period 1947 to 1987 and i'm going to point out 17 different

482
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:49,440
developmental characteristics that have changed dramatically in 40 years and this change far

483
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:57,520
surpasses what is possible from a normal evolutionary trend and also since i've discussed this subject

484
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:04,000
and i've been taking notes for some years now in other countries over the world i've eliminated

485
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:14,560
the possibility of environmental factors or health factors so uh barring uh unknown changes in the

486
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:22,160
planet or something that's unseen and evolution the only possible explanation can be that the human

487
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:29,600
race is being genetically manipulated and we're beginning to now see the results of that so that's

488
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:38,720
what i'll be presenting in the second hour tomorrow afternoon friday at 4 30 here at the ufo congress

489
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:45,920
lawful nevada and just to um just to focus on on a couple of specific areas we're talking about

490
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:53,840
potential genetic manipulation um through through all classes and through all you know it's not a

491
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:59,040
boundary thing we're talking about um facts and statistics believe from areas around the world

492
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:08,080
that's the uh that's correct the uh statistics are uh taken from uh books in the united states but i've

493
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:15,440
verified the same statistics in interviewing uh mothers fathers grandmothers grandfathers

494
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:22,960
brothers cousins uh about the children and and everywhere from third world countries uh to

495
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:31,360
places where the life is still very primitive without the influence of television and i've

496
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:43,200
looked into factors such as uh pollutants and the parents having being influenced with drugs or alcohol

497
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:49,120
all these factors seem to have no place whatsoever in these statistics

498
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:02,160
join our visit to loveland we came across one individual a scientist by profession who prefers

499
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:08,720
anonymity at this present time who handed over several videotapes after a private viewing little

500
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:14,320
is known about the anomalous activity you're about to see except that it was recorded in the utmost

501
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:24,640
secrecy

502
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:54,640
um

503
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um

504
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um

505
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um

506
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um

507
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um

508
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um

509
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um

510
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um

511
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anomalous activity has also been filmed over the past 12 months here in the uk here are just a few

512
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brief examples

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um

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um

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um

516
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:54,640
um

517
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um

518
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m

519
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uh

520
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:11,640
In January of this year residents of the town of Fleetwood in the north west of England began

521
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:18,020
observing anomalous activity over their homes. We travelled to the town to discover for ourselves

522
01:05:18,020 --> 01:05:20,040
just exactly what was going on.

523
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:30,040
First time I saw them was on the 20th of January and we were out above that one globe there.

524
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:38,040
Four of them together and a fifth one came up and followed them enjoying them above the roof of the house.

525
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:44,040
They just sat there and sat there and didn't move and there were these enormous orange globes.

526
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:49,040
There was no sound, didn't make a move, it was if you just parked up and left up the keys out and cleared off.

527
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:54,040
I just came back from the shop and I was driving round the corner there and they were just moving across.

528
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:58,040
You couldn't miss them, they were so big they were just there in the corner of my eye.

529
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:03,040
I thought, crikey that helicopter is low and then I realised it wasn't helicopter because the fifth light was

530
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:09,040
independent of the other four and came up enjoying the other four and they all just sat together.

531
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:13,040
I stood for about seven or eight minutes and I walked to the middle of the road and I'm looking like this

532
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:18,040
and there wasn't just sound, there was no noise. You could hear the street lights humming but you couldn't hear those lights humming.

533
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:23,040
There was nothing at all. There was nothing behind the lights as if they were attached to a machine or anything.

534
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:27,040
So I went in the house and I said to my husband, just look out the back door, we can have a look over the garden gate,

535
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:34,040
tell me what you can see. So he came out and he's chinnied his kneecaps, he couldn't believe it and he just stood staring at them.

536
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:41,040
Then he ran to get John, our neighbour here, and John came out and he would still sit there, hadn't moved

537
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:46,040
and just as John went back in to get his telescope he slowly started to move away to the north.

538
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:51,040
But we were only tree top height. Where that tree is at the back of that bungalow is how high they were

539
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:55,040
and we still didn't ring, we didn't do anything about it because we didn't want to get laughed at.

540
01:06:55,040 --> 01:07:00,040
And then exactly five weeks and five days later it was on a Thursday, the first time was on a Saturday.

541
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:06,040
My husband was on the front here with the little boy on a two wheeler bike, he's only six, he can start but can't stop.

542
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:11,040
My husband was running around the back of him like this and they said to be in that side of the road this time,

543
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:19,040
we were above, these are old houses and they just came sailing in from the end of the street, right all in a line, just in a line.

544
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:28,040
I had gone flying out, looked up and saw them above here with the moon sat behind them, shot back in, grabbed my scope and...

545
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:29,040
You remember?

546
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,040
I was like, oh yeah!

547
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:38,040
Just couldn't believe what I was seeing and then just checked all four of them were okay, there was only four at this time.

548
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,040
Checked they were all four, it was alright, it was the same.

549
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:50,040
And then sort of locked onto one and by holding my scope hard against the lamppost and getting a good solid position against it.

550
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:56,040
So I got something really supportive and then tried to get it in my mind exactly what I'd seen.

551
01:07:56,040 --> 01:08:02,040
But a single light, not any strobing lights, not red and green for your wings, for your portans to harboured.

552
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:13,040
No strobing lights which are now your flashing white lights which you can see very very clearly for, well, 30, 40 mile away at least.

553
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:25,040
So no, no chance, I mean, like I've said, 30 odd years of spotting all over the world, Spain, America, Germany, France, Italy, all of that.

554
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:26,040
Weird.

555
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:37,040
I'd say they were pretty low, I mean, getting that they were looking through the houses in the distance, going over towards Barrow Way, maybe about a thousand feet, something like that.

556
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:41,040
Distance, no idea, I didn't get a clear picture of them at all, you know.

557
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,040
Any idea about estimated speed?

558
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:49,040
No, only that they were moving away and again, that's how I got my scope on them.

559
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:56,040
To be really honest, I had just no idea, I mean, they could have been going slowly, they could have been going a bit quicker.

560
01:08:56,040 --> 01:09:03,040
I just don't know, but they were there for a fair bit of time, so I had to guess they were reasonable slow.

561
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:10,040
I went and these things were just right over the top of the house and they were just unbelievable.

562
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:14,040
I mean, we've said about aircraft and everything else, no way.

563
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,040
I mean, they weren't hot air balloons or anything.

564
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:27,040
Me very first, and I'll be honest with you, me very first instinct was hot air balloon as I first got a look through the scope at it.

565
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:31,040
But then I started checking all five, there were five of them.

566
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:36,040
I think there were five now, again, my memory started going.

567
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:45,040
I checked all of them, I checked in each individual one and then I checked one in particular and they all looked the same.

568
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:51,040
They all were like a big cylinder, a white cylinder, like a parachute type material, as you might say.

569
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:59,040
The moon was set behind so that it was showing through this material, as you might call it.

570
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:05,040
And then in the base was what you might call a candle light bulb.

571
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:14,040
There was no flame or anything, it was just like a glow and it was attached to the bottom of this cylinder.

572
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:23,040
And then it was shaped like that in four separate segments, open at the top, open at the bottom.

573
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:28,040
So that ruled out the hot air balloon theory, straight out the window.

574
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:32,040
And then the 23rd of March was the last time we saw them.

575
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:39,040
And I was looking through my window because now I sit with my vertical blind set so I can see straight down the street.

576
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:45,040
And I'm just sat like this looking out the window and it was quarter to eight, it was when the adverts were on for Coronation Street.

577
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:57,040
And I looked out the window and I saw in the distance to the north, north-west, sorry, north, northeast, that's right, north, northeast, this orange light coming this way.

578
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:03,040
And I said, I called my doctor and I said, just have a look at that, is it a plane or is it one of them?

579
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:06,040
And he looked and he said, no, it's a plane, definitely.

580
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,040
And I said, well, it's orange and it's not strobing.

581
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:13,040
So I went south side and walked down the driveway and yes, it was one of them.

582
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:16,040
And I shot back in and said, camcorder, quick, photograph, quick!

583
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:20,040
And we both came running out at which point John next door had come out as well.

584
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,040
And Brian next door but one.

585
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:26,040
Jill the police and his wife from over the road, everybody was all out again.

586
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:32,040
I managed to get them on camera, take photographs of them and my husband got the video and he filmed them all.

587
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:39,040
We don't know what it was, we don't know what it was, but then they just sort of pulsated, strobe, popped and disappeared.

588
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:43,040
What do you think it might have been that you filmed?

589
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,040
I'm not quite sure.

590
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:55,040
As I said before, I'd missed the previous occasion and because they weren't quite impressive, they weren't as close as last time.

591
01:11:55,040 --> 01:12:00,040
I didn't feel that nervous and that's why I managed to keep a straight hand.

592
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:05,040
But to tell the truth, to know what they were, I hadn't got a clue.

593
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:13,040
I mean, we have helicopters around here, the odd one goes out because we're so close to the coast here and people get in trouble.

594
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:20,040
So we know what helicopter sounds like, how it looks like and we get plenty of aircraft crossing over.

595
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:29,040
But what this was was extraordinary, that's why everyone came out on the street to see what they were,

596
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:39,040
because they were going so slowly, these big orange balls, that people had never seen them before in their life and they'd like to know what it was.

597
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:45,040
People we've met have around here seen the lights and it's something very common.

598
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:52,040
But it's just this little area, which is strange.

599
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,040
The battery's always on charge now.

600
01:12:54,040 --> 01:13:00,040
It's definitely not helicopters, it's definitely not a mechanical plane.

601
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:06,040
I don't know of any other kind of plane that we make down here that doesn't make a noise.

602
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,040
It wasn't the work balloons because balloons can't take up formation.

603
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:21,040
What ever it was was under some kind of control to be able to take up formation like they did and just stop in the sky and not move and then just set off again willy-nilly.

604
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,040
You know, they were under some kind of control.

605
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:31,040
It wasn't balloons, it wasn't helicopters, I don't know what it was, but what I think it was is not of this earth.

606
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:46,040
It's just this little area, which is strange.

607
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:51,040
It's just this little area, which is strange.

608
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:56,040
It's just this little area, which is strange.

609
01:13:56,040 --> 01:14:01,040
It's just this little area, which is strange.

610
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:06,040
It's just this little area, which is strange.

611
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:11,040
It's just this little area, which is strange.

612
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:16,040
It's just this little area, which is strange.

613
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:21,040
It's just this little area, which is strange.

614
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:26,040
It's just this little area, which is strange.

615
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:31,040
It's just this little area, which is strange.

616
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:36,040
It's just this little area, which is strange.

617
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:41,040
It's just this little area, which is strange.

618
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:46,040
It's just this little area, which is strange.

619
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:51,040
It's just this little area, which is strange.

620
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:56,040
It's just this little area, which is strange.

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Music

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As we end this edition of Hard Evidence, do check out our previews of other great video titles,

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01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:21,040
now available exclusively through UFO Magazine.

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01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:25,040
Until the next time, keep watching those skies, because rest assured,

625
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:29,040
the truth is coming.

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01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:39,040
Music

627
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:43,040
There's a slow-moving object up here, Al.

628
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:47,040
What object in the sky?

629
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,040
What?

630
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:54,040
It's like a small star moving across the sky. It's very small.

631
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:59,040
Music

632
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:03,040
See it up there? I don't know if I can get any focus there.

633
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:07,040
I've got to turn the pen back. Let's check it.

634
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:11,040
There is one behind me. Three, four, five.

635
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:15,040
Oh my God, there's loads of them.

636
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:20,040
I've got them on tape. They're disappearing and all that now.

637
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:24,040
There's one ahead of all the others.

638
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:28,040
See them there? There's one up there.

639
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:32,040
I don't know.

640
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,040
They're all in the line.

641
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,040
Yeah, there's two together up there, look.

642
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,040
Oh my God, I've got to... There's loads of them.

643
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:46,040
I hope we're going to get them on tape. I hope I can get these. They're that small and faint.

644
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:50,040
See them? They're like glowing. They're like in this house.

645
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:56,040
Oh my God. There's more of them up there.

646
01:16:56,040 --> 01:17:01,040
There's Tony. Tony, get up here, look. There's millions of them.

647
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:05,040
Oh my God, look at that. Look at that. There's millions of them.

648
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:09,040
See them? Look, up there.

649
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:13,040
There's loads of them. There's loads of them.

650
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:17,040
There's at least 20 or 30. Oh my God.

651
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:22,040
I hope I can get these. Jesus Christ, there's formations of them.

652
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:28,040
See them all, Tony? They're all moving around. Oh, Jesus.

653
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:32,040
Look, they're all moving in different directions.

654
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:36,040
Quick kids, come out here.

655
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:40,040
Look, there's loads of UFOs in the sky. Look, they're all over here.

656
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:45,040
Look, see all the little old stars. Open the sky by the cloud.

657
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:49,040
There's loads of them.

658
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:53,040
I can't see anything. Can I have a look at that?

659
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:58,040
I can't see nothing. Let me see. I'm not excited. They're all moving into the cloud.

660
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:04,040
I've seen the one up there. Look at that cloud up there.

661
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:08,040
I can't see nothing. Look here for that.

662
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:13,040
See all the little stars going into the cloud. I can't see anything.

663
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:17,040
Can I have a look in there?

664
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:21,040
Richard, where is he? Richard?

665
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:24,040
Oh, no.

666
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:42,040
I can't see anything.

667
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:46,040
I can't see anything.

668
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:50,040
I can't see anything.

669
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:54,040
I can't see anything.

670
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:58,040
I can't see anything.

671
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:02,040
I can't see anything.

672
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:06,040
I can't see anything.

673
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:10,040
I can't see anything.

674
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:18,040
I can't see anything.

675
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:22,040
I can't see.

676
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:26,040
I can't see.

677
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:30,040
There's loads of them.

678
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:34,040
I've just got them on tape.

679
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:39,040
There's one ahead of all the others.

680
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,040
See them there, and there's one up there.

681
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:45,040
I don't know.

682
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,040
How's it run the line?

683
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,040
They're not the formation.

684
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,040
Yeah, there's two together up there, look.

685
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,040
Oh my God, I've got a...

686
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,040
There's loads of them.

687
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,040
I hope we get them on tape. I hope I can get these.

688
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,040
They're that small and faint.

689
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,040
See them, they're like glowing and...

690
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,040
They're looking at us.

691
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,040
Oh look, there's a vision.

692
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:08,040
Oh my God.

693
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,040
There's more of them looking up there.

694
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:12,040
There's Tony.

695
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:14,040
Tony, go and look.

696
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,040
There's millions of them.

697
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,040
Thank you for watching.